Painter 7 Findings - Tips and Facts

by Jinny Brown and Friends e-mail
copyright 1994 - 2002, Jinny Brown


This page was launched on August 29, 2001 and info is added as it's discovered. If you have a finding to contribute, please write and let me know. Click the target links in the green box below to jump to the subject. For each main area, if there are any, General items appear first, then other items appear in alphabetical order. Problem areas in Painter 7 (with solutions where possible) are highlighted in PINK.
Happy Discovering!
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PAINTER 7 AND PAINTER 7 UPDATE INSTALLATION - GENERAL

BLUE GREEN INTERFACE - Difficult to Read

KEYSTROKE COMMANDS - Have Changed

PRINTING HIGHER RESOLUTION IMAGE FROM PAINTER 7
Looks like 72 ppi When Printed to Some Epson Printers 

ZOOM FEATURE SCALE DISPLAY - ZOOM TO FIT, DOUBLE-CLICK, GRABBER TOOL, MAGNIFIER TOOL, SCALE DISPLAY INCONSISTENCIES, Other Problems
Includes Report to Tanya Staples at Corel on 9/16/01

UNINSTALL PAINTER 7, REINSTALL, INSTALL THE PAINTER 7 UPDATE
Includes a List of Direct URLs for All Files in the Painter 7 Update Package.

MENUS

EDIT

PREFERENCES

EDIT > PREFERENCES > PALETTES - Palettes (Showing and Hiding Palette Sections)

EDIT > PREFERENCES > PALETTES - Art Materials - Color Section May Disappear when Other Sections are Deselected

WINDOWS

ZOOM TO FIT

ZOOM TO FIT MAKES IMAGE WINDOW AND CANVAS TINY
Zoom to Fit, Double-click Grabber Tool, Magnifier Tool, Scale Display Inconsistencies, Other Problems
Includes Report to Tanya Staples at Corel on 9/16/01

PALETTES

GENERAL

PALETTE SECTIONS - Missing Sections, How to Add

ART MATERIALS

BRUSHES AND BRUSH CONTROLS

BRUSHES and BRUSH CONTROLS - A Gift from John Derry

BRUSHES  and BRUSH CONTROLS - A Gift from Karen Sperling - 
A Painter 7 Watercolor Quick Reference Guide - PDF

BRUSHES and BRUSH CONTROLS - A Gift from Judy Miller and Jeremy Sutton - Brushes React Differently to Paper Texture in Painter 7 - Solution by Judy Miller, Tutorial by Jeremy Sutton
 

BRUSHES AND BRUSH CONTROLS (continued)

BRUSH LOOK DESIGNER - ERROR IN PAINTER 7 USER GUIDE AND HELP TOPICS

WATER COLOR BLEED and PICKUP - 
Kaburaya's Thorough Demonstration

WATER COLOR (Watercolor) ERASER VARIANTS - CHANGE COLORS -
Includes More detailed information from John Derry on 8/31/01

WATER COLOR - WET FRINGE CONTROL -
Painter 7 User Guide Instructs the Reader to Use Wet Fringe Slider to Create Pooling at Edges of Water Color Brush Stroke

WATER COLOR - Jin's 1st Brush - Download Zip file

COLOR SET

CONTROLS

TOOLS

GRABBER/MAGNIFIER TOOLS USED TO ZOOM -
Zoom to Fit, DOUBLE-CLICK GRABBER TOOL, MAGNIFIER TOOL, Scale Display Inconsistencies, Other Problems
Includes Report to Tanya Staples at Corel on 9/16/01

OBJECTS

LAYERS

LAYER ATTRIBUTES DIALOG BOX - RENAMING LAYERS - ERROR MESSAGE - "Number is Out of Range"

WATER COLOR (Watercolor) LAYERS - COMBINING ON ONE LAYER- (alternative to Group and Collapse) - Combining Multiple Water Color Layers on One Layer (and Extra Neat Tip About Using Undo)

MASKS

IMAGE LAYER'S VISIBILITY MASK - Splotches left on Mask when pen is lifted after editing with white and Brush's Opaque Round variant. Airbrush's Digital Airbrush variant won't work on an Image Layer's Mask. - Includes message sent to the corel.graphic_apps.painter newsgroup on 9/9/01

LIQUID INK LAYER VISIBILITY MASK

WATER COLOR LAYER'S VISIBILITY MASK - ERROR MESSAGES

SCRIPTS

SCRIPTING - PDF DOWNLOAD on Jeremy Sutton's Website (Also Painter Tips and Hints - PDF Download). - An Excellent Technical Note from Painter 4 that Explains Scripting Syntax and Another for Painter Tips and Hints.

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GENERAL

New Painter 7 Installation

Blue Green Interface/Difficult to Read - posted 8/29/01

  • Set your screen to 24 bit Color or higher.
Keystroke Commands

Keystroke Commands Have Changed - posted 9/1/01

Printing
Printing Higher Resolution Image from Painter 7 Looks like 72 ppi When Printed to Some Epson Printers
  • One workaround suggested on the corel.graphic_apps.painter newsgroup is to use Resize and change the image resolution to 360 before printing. He said that 360, or multiples thereof is the Epson dpi and that this works for him.
NOTE: Please test this on a copy of your image first so you don't damage your work. This workaround is posted here because it may work for some people but there's no guarantee it will work in your situation.

Zoom Feature - Scale Display
Zoom to Fit, Double-click Grabber Tool, Magnifier Tool, Scale Display Inconsistencies, Other Problems

Uninstall Painter 7, Reinstall, Install the Painter 7 Update
Includes Direct URLs to All Files in the Painter 7 Update Package
     

MENUS AND PALETTES

Menus

Edit

Preferences

  • Palettes (Showing and Hiding Palette Sections)
    • See Palettes/Palette Sections/General/Missing Sections, How to Add (item listed below).
  • Palettes
    • Art Materials - Color Section May Disappear when Other Sections are Deselected
      • Some Painter 7 users may experience a problem with the release version of Painter 7 when, in Edit/Preferences, some elements in the Art Materials palette are deselected. The Color section may  disappear even if it has not been deselected. 
      • Workaround: After closing Painter 7, in the main Painter 7 folder, delete the Painter.pal file. This file is recreated when you reopen Painter 7. Now the Color section should be in the Art Materials palette and the deselected items should not be.
  • This tip was contributed by Terrie who has kindly allowed me to include her e-mail address in case you have questions about Painter 7:
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    74727.3164@compuserve.com
         
    Thanks, Terrie!
Windows

Zoom to Fit

Zoom to Fit Makes Image Window and Canvas Tiny
Zoom to Fit, Double-click Grabber Tool, Magnifier Tool, Scale Display Inconsistencies, Other Problems




Palettes

GENERAL

Palette Sections

Missing Sections, How to Add
(or more important, where to find the information not easily found in the Painter 7 User Guide Index)  - posted 8/31/01:

  • Painter 7 User Guide, Chapter 2, The Workspace, the section named Showing and Hiding Palette Sections, on page 17.
  • Painter 7 Help menu, click the Search tab, type Working with Palettes, and in the right panel, scroll down to the section named Showing and Hiding Palette Sections.
ART MATERIALS
(no new info or complaints)

BRUSHES and BRUSH CONTROLS

A Gift from John Derry - Click this Link to See What it Is

Thank You, John!

A Gift from Karen Sperling - Click this Link to Download
A Painter 7 Watercolor Quick Reference Guide - PDF
This Will Make Learning Painter 7 Water Color Brush Settings a Lot Easier!

Thank You, Karen!

A Gift from Judy Miller and Jeremy Sutton - To Read the Solution Tutorial, Click Here
Brushes React Differently to Paper Texture in Painter 7 - Solution by Judy Miller, Tutorial by Jeremy Sutton - posted 9/9/01

  • A simple, from basics, texture tutorial that reviews how to reset the settings for grainy brushes in Painter 7. 
Thank You, Judy and Jeremy!

BRUSH LOOK DESIGNER - ERROR IN PAINTER 7 USER GUIDE AND HELP TOPICS
After reading some messages on this subject on the corel.graphic_apps.painter newsgroup, I did a search in Help Topics and found what appears to be an error. You'll find it on page 201 of the Painter 7 User Guide as well. In the section named Setting Well Controls, there's a note at the top of the middle column that tells the Painter user to open the Look Designer, make a stroke, and watch it update as adjustments are made to the Well sliders. Then it says to use a checkered or striped background for more revealing results. There doesn't appear to be a Look Designer in Painter 7. Below is a solution, the basic version of which was offered by Karen Sperling, to which I've added some things based on my experience using the procedure (i.e. Converting Water Color and Liquid Ink Layers to Default Layers before making the square selection and Dropping them to the Canvas if you have trouble making a square selection).

Solution
Instead, design your Brush by experimenting. When you have something you like, paint a sample. Then draw a square selection around it (if it's either Water Color or Liquid Ink, Convert to Default Layer before making the selection. If you have trouble making the selection, Drop the Layer to the Canvas first.) In the Brushes palette's Brush menu, choose Brush Looks > New Look. Give your custom Brush Look a unique name and click the OK button. Now your new Brush Look is saved in the Art Materials palette's current Looks Library.

Thanks to Karen Sperling for offering the basic solution and to Michel for asking the question!

Water Color Bleed and Pickup - Click here to see Kaburaya's thorough demonstration
A Visual and Text Demonstration of Problems with Painter 7 Water Color Brushes and Settings

Thank You, Kaburaya!

Water Color (watercolor) Eraser Variants - Change Colors
Workaround for Known Bug in First Release of Painter 7 - posted 8/29/01

  • White is the correct Primary Color for the Painter 7 Water Color Eraser variants. Since the Painter 7 Water Color Eraser variants change both the Primary and Secondary Colors unexpectedly (or as you'll see below when we unwittingly do something we would not expect would change them), after choosing any of the Water Color Eraser variants, and before beginning to paint, go to the Brushes palette's Variant menu and choose Restore Default Variant. The Primary Color should then be white. If it's not white, manually change the Primary Color to white. 
More detailed information from John Derry on 8/31/01:

"<SNIP>

This issue has been documented online by Jinny Brown at:

http://www.pixelalley.com/Painter7/eraser-color-change.html

This is not a bug, per se, but instead is user confusion over how a particular Painter feature works. I'll admit that it is not obvious and it could be better documented...

Here is the specific area that is in question:

The Watercolor "Eraser" Variants

In order to erase existing watercolor, the P7 Watercolor Erasers must use _White_ as the Current Color. Why is this so? The Watercolor Layer technology, being a physical simulation of watercolor, has no built-in color removal (Once pigment is suspended in the Watercolor Layer, it can be diffused and moved around, but it can not be eliminated).

Consequentially, the only way to erase existing pigment in the Watercolor Layer is to utilize two of the old pre-P7 Wet Methods ("Grainy Wet Abrasive", "Wet Remove Density") which remain compatible with the new Watercolor Layer. The Grainy Wet Abrasive Wet Method is dependant upon White as the Current Color to erase.

To enforce this requirement, the Watercolor "Eraser" Variants have been saved with White as the Current Color. This is done by selecting White as the Current Color and then checking the "Save Current Colors" checkbox in the "Save Variant" dialog when saving the Variant.

Now, here is where the user confusion is occurring:

Save Variant Dialog "Save Current Colors" Feature

If "Save Current Colors" is checked when saving a Variant, it means that the Variant will retain the color that is Current at the time that the Variant is initially _saved_ (I will refer to this color as the "Original Current Color").

If a user _changes_ the Current Color while using a Variant that has been saved with "Save Current Colors" enabled, then that color will override the Original Current Color and "stick" to the Variant (I will refer to this color as the "Cached Current Color"). The next time that particular Variant is selected, then this cached color will become current.

It is important to note here that P7 XML brushes can store 2 instances of a Variant:

1> The original Default Variant (Original Current Color stored here

2> The user-adjusted Cached Variant (Cached Current Color stored here)

Additional Issues

With regard to Jinny Brown's description of problems with the Watercolor Erasers (see url above), the initial confusion resulted because she appears to have adjusted her Current Colors while the "Salt Eraser" was the current Variant. She subsequentially changed her current color when another Watercolor Variant was selected (Diffuse Camel). The next time she selected the Salt Eraser Variant, the current color was updated to the Salt Eraser's Cached Current Colors.

Once a user gets into this apparently unpredictable Current Color updating, it becomes easy as an apparently corrective remedy, to begin changing the Current Color while the various Watercolor Eraser Variants are selected.

As a result, each of these Variants will now have a new Cached Current Color "sticking" to it. This condition is quickly corrected by invoking "Restore Default Variant" while the Variant in question is selected. This will override the Cached Current Color and restore the Original Current Color.

Watercolor Dry Eraser Bug

There _is_ a small bug involved in Jinny's Watercolor Eraser problems. The Watercolor "Dry" Eraser was erroneously saved with _Blue_ as the Current Color. Consequentially, whenever this Variant is selected, the Current Color is replaced with blue. This has the effect of making the whole "Current" vs. "Cached" Current Color issue even more indecipherable by the uninformed.

By coincidence, the "Dry" Eraser is the one P7 Watercolor eraser Variant that uses the "Wet Remove Density" Wet Method. Unlike the earlier-described "Grainy Wet Abrasive" Wet Method used for all of the other Watercolor Erasers, "Wet Remove Density" does _not_ rely on the color White to erase. So, it has been saved with "Saved Current Colors" erroneously enabled.

Because it does not rely on a color to erase, it will work properly even with the color blue having been erroneously invoked. But the user will be further mystified by the sudden appearance of an uncalled for new Current Color.

"Saved Current Colors" Bug

There appears to be a bug associated with the "Save Variant" Dialog's "Save Current Colors" checkbox. Once a Variant has been saved with this checkbox enabled, it appears to be impossible to ever re-save this Variant with the checkbox disabled. The user can uncheck it in order to re-save the Variant with this feature disabled. However, subsequent re-loading of this Variant will have the checkbox enabled and therefore replace the Current Color with its Original Current Color. This bug inhibits the ability to correct the above-described "Dry Eraser" Variant.

<SNIP>

-john"

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Water Color - Wet Fringe Control
Painter 7 User Guide Instructs the Reader to Use Wet Fringe Slider to Create Pooling at Edges of Water Color Brush Stroke
  • In the Brush Controls palette's Water section, there is no Wet Fringe slider.
  • In the Brushes palette's Control menu, if Custom Controls is chosen, then Water is chosen from the Category list, there are two boxes available to check. One of them is Wet Fringe. If you check it, and hit the OK button, nothing is added to the Controls:Brushes palette. (Your screen might flash around a bit, though.)
  • If, in another Painter session this is attempted again, when Water is chosen from the Category list, the previously displayed window where the Wet Fringe box was available doesn't open at all.
  • There is no Wet Fringe Control to create pooling around the edges of a Water Color Stroke. If it's possible at all, we'll have to do it another way.
  • In the meantime, here's a quick try I made at creating a pooling brush. It's not there yet but fun to play with anyway. Maybe you'll enjoy it too:

COLOR SET

CONTROLS

TOOLS

Grabber/Magnifier Tools Used to Zoom
Zoom to Fit, Double-click Grabber Tool, Magnifier Tool, Scale Display Inconsistencies, Other Problems

OBJECTS

Layers

Layer Attributes Dialog Box
Renaming Layers - Error Message - "Number is Out of Range"

This one looks like a bug to me. I've seen it too. The only solution I've found is to "cooperate" with Painter 7 (or the Painter 7 bug) and, in the Layer Attributes dialog box, type 0 in the Top field and 0 in the Left field. That moves the Layer back into it's "default" position with its upper left corner at 0,0 aligned the upper left corner of the Canvas which is 0,0 as well.

This, however, repositions your Layer where you may not want it to be. 
A workaround is to use vertical and horizontal Guides and/or the Grid and take note of where your Layer is before opening the Layer Attributes dialog box. Then you can reposition it after the Layer Attributes box is closed.

A royal pain in the neck but at least it's some kind of solution until this bug is fixed or until we learn that it's not actually a bug, what benefit there is, and how to avoid having to reposition our Layers. (I'm voting for bug-be-gone.)

Anyone have a better suggestion? I'll update this page if your idea works better than mine.. or post both as alternative workarounds.

Water Color (watercolor) Layers - Combining on One Layer - (alternative to Group and Collapse)
Combining Multiple Water Color Layers on One Layer (and Extra Neat Tip About Using Undo) - posted 8/29/01:

This Solution arose after a Painter 7 user found that when attempting to Group and Collapse her Water Color Layers using the Layers icon menu, the Collapse option was greyed out. Using Right-Click to open the menu, the Collapse option was available. However using that method left white edges around the brush strokes.

NOTE: Only do this with the Canvas white and blank. If you have something on the Canvas, first use Ctrl/Command+A to select the Canvas then click inside the Selection using the Layer Adjuster tool to temporarily lift the existing Canvas to a Layer.

  • To prevent white edges showing up on your brush strokes, highlight the Water Color Layers you want to have together on one Layer and in the Layers menu, choose Drop. Then from the Layers menu, choose Lift Canvas to Water Color Layer.
  • If, immediately after using this method, you use Undo, your image will be on both the Layer and on the Canvas. This is a very neat feature as it allows us more freedom and time to think what we'd like to do with either the Layer image or the Canvas image.. or both.
Masks

Image Layer's Mask

  • Splotches left on Mask when pen is lifted after editing with white and Brush's Opaque Round variant.
  • Airbrush's Digital Airbrush variant won't work on an Image Layer's Mask.
- posted 9/9/01 -

The following message was sent to the corel.graphic_apps.painter newsgroup on Sunday, September 9, 2001 at about 6:40 pm PST:

"C-Techs and Corel,

I know this has been mentioned before but I'm reporting some specifics that I would like to have turned over to Corel:

1. New white Canvas with one New Layer.

2. Painted with Brush's Opaque Round variant.

3. Edited Mask with white using same brush. Although the area I painted with white was completely white, when I lifted the pen, there was a faint brush-dab shaped splotch. I painted that with white to remove it and, again, when I lifted the pen there was a faint brush-dab shaped splotch.

4. Used Undo to get back to the beginning of Mask editing so I could try the Airbrush's Digital Airbrush instead, thinking that might work best (as it did in Painter 6). 

5. Got an error message saying "Your Water Color brush doesn't work because Wet Paint is not allowed on Mask Layers." I was not, and had not been using either Water Color Layers or Water Color brushes. Only the brushes mentioned above on a normal New Layer (Image Layer).

7. I tried some of the other Airbrush variants and they worked fine, except they were not the brushes I wanted to use. Here are the ones I tried: Coarse Spray, Detail Airbrush, Fine Spray, Fine Wheel Airbrush... 

Corel can try the rest. The points have been made:

Splotches left on Mask when pen is lifted after editing with white and Brush's Opaque Round variant.

Airbrush's Digital Airbrush variant won't work on an Image Layer's Mask.

Jinny Brown
http://www.pixelalley.com"
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Liquid Ink Layer's Visibility Mask Nonexistent
There is no Visibility Mask for a Liquid Ink Layer.

Water Color Layer's Visibility Mask

  • Using a Water Color brush to paint the Mask brings up the followng error message:  "Your Water Color brush doesn't work because Wet Paint is not allowed on Mask Layers. "
  • Using a non-Water Color brush brings up the following error message: "Only Water Color Brushes can be used on Water Color Layers."
Scripts

Scripting - PDF Download on Jeremy Sutton's Website (Also Painter Tips and Hints - PDF Download). Both Came with Painter 4. - Download from Jeremy Sutton's Site
An Excellent Technical Note from Painter 4 that Explains Scripting Syntax and Another for Painter Tips and Hints.

Thank You, Jeremy!

.... to be continued ....

Jinny Brown, August 29, 2001
last modified March 31, 2002 10:50 am
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